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	<title>Comments on: Q) Claims stand or fall together (4.00.28p)</title>
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		<title>By: Soonrealsoon</title>
		<link>http://mypatentbar.com/2008/08/07/appeal-brief-claims-stand-or-fall-together-41200p/#comment-7345</link>
		<dc:creator>Soonrealsoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Examiner’s Answer stating that they do. Question was, what will the Board do as to the rejected claims?

A: Somewhere in 1200
something like,
Board may remand for other purposes other than further consideration of rejection, which includes:
whether to consider IDS, Amend., Affi. after sending appeal brief.
and also make a decision on whether the grouping rejection is proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Examiner’s Answer stating that they do. Question was, what will the Board do as to the rejected claims?</p>
<p>A: Somewhere in 1200<br />
something like,<br />
Board may remand for other purposes other than further consideration of rejection, which includes:<br />
whether to consider IDS, Amend., Affi. after sending appeal brief.<br />
and also make a decision on whether the grouping rejection is proper.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://mypatentbar.com/2008/08/07/appeal-brief-claims-stand-or-fall-together-41200p/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 01:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since 2004, an examiner&#039;s answer MAY have a new grounds for rejection, so (C) would be correct. Surely any current test will modify the answers to fit the current MPEP 1207.03.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since 2004, an examiner&#8217;s answer MAY have a new grounds for rejection, so (C) would be correct. Surely any current test will modify the answers to fit the current MPEP 1207.03.</p>
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		<title>By: Chemist62</title>
		<link>http://mypatentbar.com/2008/08/07/appeal-brief-claims-stand-or-fall-together-41200p/#comment-1760</link>
		<dc:creator>Chemist62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://mypatentbar.com/2008/08/07/appeal-brief-claims-stand-or-fall-together-41200p/#comment-1759</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that &quot;stand or fall together&quot; is linked very closely to arguing claims &quot;separately&quot; or &quot;as a group&quot;.  When argued &quot;as a group&quot;,  then claims will &quot;stand or fall together&quot;.

When doing a search of Chapter 1200, you can search &quot;as a group&quot;, and receive several relevant hits which are closely related to &quot;stand or fall together&quot;

From 1205.02:
Each ground of rejection must be treated under a separate heading. For each ground of rejection applying to two or more claims, the claims may be argued separately or as a group. When multiple claims subject to the same ground of rejection are argued as a group by appellant, the Board may select a single claim from the group of claims that are argued together to decide the appeal with respect to the group of claims as to the ground of rejection on the basis of the selected claim alone. The failure of appellant to separately argue claims which appellant has grouped together constitutes a waiver of any argument that the Board must consider the patentability of any grouped claim separately. See In re McDaniel, 293 F.3d 1379, 1384, 63 USPQ2d 1462, 1465-66 (Fed. Cir. 2002). Any claim argued separately should be placed under a subheading identifying the claim by number. Claims argued as a group should be placed under a subheading identifying the claims by number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that &#8220;stand or fall together&#8221; is linked very closely to arguing claims &#8220;separately&#8221; or &#8220;as a group&#8221;.  When argued &#8220;as a group&#8221;,  then claims will &#8220;stand or fall together&#8221;.</p>
<p>When doing a search of Chapter 1200, you can search &#8220;as a group&#8221;, and receive several relevant hits which are closely related to &#8220;stand or fall together&#8221;</p>
<p>From 1205.02:<br />
Each ground of rejection must be treated under a separate heading. For each ground of rejection applying to two or more claims, the claims may be argued separately or as a group. When multiple claims subject to the same ground of rejection are argued as a group by appellant, the Board may select a single claim from the group of claims that are argued together to decide the appeal with respect to the group of claims as to the ground of rejection on the basis of the selected claim alone. The failure of appellant to separately argue claims which appellant has grouped together constitutes a waiver of any argument that the Board must consider the patentability of any grouped claim separately. See In re McDaniel, 293 F.3d 1379, 1384, 63 USPQ2d 1462, 1465-66 (Fed. Cir. 2002). Any claim argued separately should be placed under a subheading identifying the claim by number. Claims argued as a group should be placed under a subheading identifying the claims by number.</p>
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		<title>By: Chemist62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chemist62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any suggestion how to search for the claims &quot;stand or fall&quot; together?  I do not seem to find it right or just don&#039;r understand the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any suggestion how to search for the claims &#8220;stand or fall&#8221; together?  I do not seem to find it right or just don&#8217;r understand the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just building further on choice (c) (as madwoodee states above in seeing MPEP 1207.03)---this is now a CORRECT answer since new rounds of rejection are allowed in the examiner&#039;s answer.  I suppose that in a modified &quot;repeat question&quot;, this could be changed to:

An examiner may enter a new ground of rejection in the examiner’s supplemental  answer, except when a supplemental answer is written in response to a remand by the board (which is FALSE--because an examiner may NOT enter a new ground of rejection in the examiner&#039;s answer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just building further on choice (c) (as madwoodee states above in seeing MPEP 1207.03)&#8212;this is now a CORRECT answer since new rounds of rejection are allowed in the examiner&#8217;s answer.  I suppose that in a modified &#8220;repeat question&#8221;, this could be changed to:</p>
<p>An examiner may enter a new ground of rejection in the examiner’s supplemental  answer, except when a supplemental answer is written in response to a remand by the board (which is FALSE&#8211;because an examiner may NOT enter a new ground of rejection in the examiner&#8217;s answer).</p>
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		<title>By: madwoodee</title>
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		<dc:creator>madwoodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding answer choice (C), see MPEP 1207.03.  Also, in the 2003 exams, there is a question that requires you to know 1207.03</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding answer choice (C), see MPEP 1207.03.  Also, in the 2003 exams, there is a question that requires you to know 1207.03</p>
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		<title>By: patent</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am actually confused by this. Appeal brief is 1205, isnt it? and i cant find the above paragraph any more. besides, i thought the statement isnt required by the appellant. Appellant only needs file argument for the rejection and it all depends on the way appellant argue. say, if they argued separately, then the claim will stand along, or if they only argued one of the group, then claims stand or fall together...

am i understanding this wrongly or this article here is misleading or outdated???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am actually confused by this. Appeal brief is 1205, isnt it? and i cant find the above paragraph any more. besides, i thought the statement isnt required by the appellant. Appellant only needs file argument for the rejection and it all depends on the way appellant argue. say, if they argued separately, then the claim will stand along, or if they only argued one of the group, then claims stand or fall together&#8230;</p>
<p>am i understanding this wrongly or this article here is misleading or outdated???</p>
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		<title>By: patent</title>
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		<dc:creator>patent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there isnt 1.192 any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there isnt 1.192 any more.</p>
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		<title>By: patentbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>patentbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been reported that a question involves an appeal of claim 1
(an independent claim) and claims 2-3 (dependent claims). The judge
affirms the rejection of claim 1, and reverses the rejections of claims 2-3.  See MPEP 1214.06, Part II. Claims Stand Allowed. There are a number of examples that can be applied depending on the situation in the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been reported that a question involves an appeal of claim 1<br />
(an independent claim) and claims 2-3 (dependent claims). The judge<br />
affirms the rejection of claim 1, and reverses the rejections of claims 2-3.  See MPEP 1214.06, Part II. Claims Stand Allowed. There are a number of examples that can be applied depending on the situation in the question.</p>
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