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		<title>By: Sol</title>
		<link>http://mypatentbar.com/2007/10/17/question-2051-documents-requiring-signatures/#comment-37733</link>
		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with SoBe for the most part, but I think SoBe overinterpret the following

&quot;In 1.4(f): “When a document that is required by statute to be certified must be filed, a copy, including a photocopy or facsimile transmission, of the certification is not acceptable.” Clearly no copies, requires originals, and consequently, original hand signatures.&quot;

Consequently, orginal sinagtures, which can be d(1) hand written or d(2) S-signature, as long as they are orginal.

S-signature can be original, for instance, personal name stamps used in Asian countries.

Be noted, a copy of a S-signature is NEVER acceptable. d(1) hand written permits a copy as stated in d(1)(ii). But no similar language in d(2) S-signature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with SoBe for the most part, but I think SoBe overinterpret the following</p>
<p>&#8220;In 1.4(f): “When a document that is required by statute to be certified must be filed, a copy, including a photocopy or facsimile transmission, of the certification is not acceptable.” Clearly no copies, requires originals, and consequently, original hand signatures.&#8221;</p>
<p>Consequently, orginal sinagtures, which can be d(1) hand written or d(2) S-signature, as long as they are orginal.</p>
<p>S-signature can be original, for instance, personal name stamps used in Asian countries.</p>
<p>Be noted, a copy of a S-signature is NEVER acceptable. d(1) hand written permits a copy as stated in d(1)(ii). But no similar language in d(2) S-signature.</p>
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		<title>By: Sol</title>
		<link>http://mypatentbar.com/2007/10/17/question-2051-documents-requiring-signatures/#comment-37725</link>
		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confused, but I will still assume Appeal Brief requires signature

“§ 41.67 Appellant’s brief
 (a)(2) The brief must be signed by the appellant, or the appellant’s duly authorized attorney or agent and must be accompanied by the requisite fee set forth in § 41.20(b)(2).”

****This is true, but it is not talking about Appeal Brief in regular prosecution but inter parte reexam
 
If the appeal brief is not signed, the relevant form paragraph states:
 
“¶ 12.112 Brief Defective – Unsigned
 The appeal brief filed on [1] is defective because it is unsigned. 37 CFR 1.33. A ratification properly signed is required. To avoid dismissal of the appeal, appellant must ratify the appeal brief within ONE MONTH or THIRTY DAYS from the mailing of this communication, whichever is longer. Extensions of time may be granted under 37 CFR 1.136.”

****This paragraph in 1200 is gone. I could not find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confused, but I will still assume Appeal Brief requires signature</p>
<p>“§ 41.67 Appellant’s brief<br />
 (a)(2) The brief must be signed by the appellant, or the appellant’s duly authorized attorney or agent and must be accompanied by the requisite fee set forth in § 41.20(b)(2).”</p>
<p>****This is true, but it is not talking about Appeal Brief in regular prosecution but inter parte reexam</p>
<p>If the appeal brief is not signed, the relevant form paragraph states:</p>
<p>“¶ 12.112 Brief Defective – Unsigned<br />
 The appeal brief filed on [1] is defective because it is unsigned. 37 CFR 1.33. A ratification properly signed is required. To avoid dismissal of the appeal, appellant must ratify the appeal brief within ONE MONTH or THIRTY DAYS from the mailing of this communication, whichever is longer. Extensions of time may be granted under 37 CFR 1.136.”</p>
<p>****This paragraph in 1200 is gone. I could not find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s impossible to only have 25 questions wrong and not pass. Even if you got 10 outta 10 on the Beta Questions. You&#039;d still have to score less than a 73 to fail (63/90). I would look into that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s impossible to only have 25 questions wrong and not pass. Even if you got 10 outta 10 on the Beta Questions. You&#8217;d still have to score less than a 73 to fail (63/90). I would look into that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx</p>
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		<title>By: Jamecam</title>
		<link>http://mypatentbar.com/2007/10/17/question-2051-documents-requiring-signatures/#comment-19419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamecam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got this question on 10/29/2011.

The question asked which of the following does not require a signature:
(1) a notice of appeal
(2) an assertion of small entity status
(3) an oath/declaration
(4) an authorization to pay by credit card
(5) an amendment

I chose option (1).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got this question on 10/29/2011.</p>
<p>The question asked which of the following does not require a signature:<br />
(1) a notice of appeal<br />
(2) an assertion of small entity status<br />
(3) an oath/declaration<br />
(4) an authorization to pay by credit card<br />
(5) an amendment</p>
<p>I chose option (1).</p>
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		<title>By: SoBe</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoBe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no clarification provided in the MPEP, it&#039;s just another example of obtusely worded regulatory law.  The tax code is written in similar fashion.

So, as you neatly provided, atleast we have these 3 choices.  When you get a chance, can you take a look at my comment on Q) Board of Appeals Remanding case to the Examiner (4.03.25a).  I cannot find a definitive answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no clarification provided in the MPEP, it&#8217;s just another example of obtusely worded regulatory law.  The tax code is written in similar fashion.</p>
<p>So, as you neatly provided, atleast we have these 3 choices.  When you get a chance, can you take a look at my comment on Q) Board of Appeals Remanding case to the Examiner (4.03.25a).  I cannot find a definitive answer.</p>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!  I was not clear in 1.4(e) about the word “equivalent”.   &quot;OR its equivalent&quot; suggested to me a non-handwritten S-signature suggested later on&quot;.  But, if  the MPEP means “dark ink or its equivalent”, the word “equivalent” is referring to “dark ink”, i.e., you may submit the original hand signature in black or blue ink (dark ink). Then  yes  that is the answer. Q: Where did you find the clarification on the definition? 

Handwritten signature in dark ink are required for:
(1) Registration practice 1.4 (e) 
(2) Disciplinary papers/proceedings  1.4 (e) 
(3) Any Certified paper 1.4 (f)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  I was not clear in 1.4(e) about the word “equivalent”.   &#8220;OR its equivalent&#8221; suggested to me a non-handwritten S-signature suggested later on&#8221;.  But, if  the MPEP means “dark ink or its equivalent”, the word “equivalent” is referring to “dark ink”, i.e., you may submit the original hand signature in black or blue ink (dark ink). Then  yes  that is the answer. Q: Where did you find the clarification on the definition? </p>
<p>Handwritten signature in dark ink are required for:<br />
(1) Registration practice 1.4 (e)<br />
(2) Disciplinary papers/proceedings  1.4 (e)<br />
(3) Any Certified paper 1.4 (f)</p>
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		<title>By: SoBe</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoBe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 05:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Maggie,
As you correctly noted, 1.4(d) states handwritten signature can be original or a copy of original, however, as it goes on to state, this does NOT apply to &quot;(d)(2), (d)(3), (e) and (f)&quot;

1.4(d)(2) says that you can file an &quot;S&quot; signature anywhere you are allowed to electronically file or fax per 1.6(d).
1.4(d)(3) says don&#039;t mess with PTO forms, don&#039;t rearrange the structure, however if you do, take all PTO identification off of it because your on your own.
The last two survivors on the island... 1.4(e) and 1.4(f),   

In 1.4(e): -No need to re-post because you provided it above-
I do not believe you are allowed to submit a copy of a signature because it requires an &quot;original hand signature&quot;.  When it goes on to state &quot;dark ink or its equivalent&quot;, the word &quot;equivalent&quot; is referring to &quot;dark ink&quot;, i.e., you may submit the original hand signature in black or blue ink (dark ink).

In 1.4(f): &quot;When a document that is required by statute to be certified must be filed, a copy, including a photocopy or facsimile transmission, of the certification is not acceptable.&quot;  Clearly no copies, requires originals, and consequently, original hand signatures.

A quick glance at 1.6(d), and we can confirm that 1.6(d) agrees with 1.4(e)/(f) in asmuch as,
1.6(d) states that faxes aren&#039;t allowed in the following situations and starts with these two:
(1)Correspondence as specified in § 1.4(e), requiring an original signature;
(2)Certified documents as specified in § 1.4(f);  
No fax = original hand signature (atleast in this situation)

After all that, I still cannot answer your question in post #34, all I can say is that any correspondence involving enrollment, discipline, and certified docs/info has to be submitted with original hand signatures. Oaths, decs, credit card charges, amendments, as far as I know, can all be submitted in fax with copy of signature. ...(thud, thud, thud) that&#039;s the sound of my forehead slamming on my desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Maggie,<br />
As you correctly noted, 1.4(d) states handwritten signature can be original or a copy of original, however, as it goes on to state, this does NOT apply to &#8220;(d)(2), (d)(3), (e) and (f)&#8221;</p>
<p>1.4(d)(2) says that you can file an &#8220;S&#8221; signature anywhere you are allowed to electronically file or fax per 1.6(d).<br />
1.4(d)(3) says don&#8217;t mess with PTO forms, don&#8217;t rearrange the structure, however if you do, take all PTO identification off of it because your on your own.<br />
The last two survivors on the island&#8230; 1.4(e) and 1.4(f),   </p>
<p>In 1.4(e): -No need to re-post because you provided it above-<br />
I do not believe you are allowed to submit a copy of a signature because it requires an &#8220;original hand signature&#8221;.  When it goes on to state &#8220;dark ink or its equivalent&#8221;, the word &#8220;equivalent&#8221; is referring to &#8220;dark ink&#8221;, i.e., you may submit the original hand signature in black or blue ink (dark ink).</p>
<p>In 1.4(f): &#8220;When a document that is required by statute to be certified must be filed, a copy, including a photocopy or facsimile transmission, of the certification is not acceptable.&#8221;  Clearly no copies, requires originals, and consequently, original hand signatures.</p>
<p>A quick glance at 1.6(d), and we can confirm that 1.6(d) agrees with 1.4(e)/(f) in asmuch as,<br />
1.6(d) states that faxes aren&#8217;t allowed in the following situations and starts with these two:<br />
(1)Correspondence as specified in § 1.4(e), requiring an original signature;<br />
(2)Certified documents as specified in § 1.4(f);<br />
No fax = original hand signature (atleast in this situation)</p>
<p>After all that, I still cannot answer your question in post #34, all I can say is that any correspondence involving enrollment, discipline, and certified docs/info has to be submitted with original hand signatures. Oaths, decs, credit card charges, amendments, as far as I know, can all be submitted in fax with copy of signature. &#8230;(thud, thud, thud) that&#8217;s the sound of my forehead slamming on my desk.</p>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I think the answer is they ALL can be copy.  Rules state handwritten signature can be original or a copy of original. 
 
1.4(d)(1) Handwritten signature. Each piece of correspondence, except as provided in paragraphs (d)(2), (d)(3), (e) and (f) of this section, filed in an application, patent file, or other proceeding in the Office which requires a person’s signature, must:
(i)	Be an original, that is, have an original handwritten signature personally signed, in permanent dark ink or its equivalent, by that person; OR
(ii)	Be a direct or indirect copy, such as a photocopy or facsimile transmission (§ 1.6(d)), of an original. In the event that a copy of the original is filed, the original should be retained as evidence of authenticity. If a question of authenticity arises, the Office may require submission of the original.

Even this says  they accept the equivalent of a handwritten signature 
(e) Correspondence requiring a person’s signature and relating to registration practice and disciplinary investigations, or disciplinary proceedings must be submitted with an original hand written signature personally signed in permanent dark ink or its equivalent by that person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I think the answer is they ALL can be copy.  Rules state handwritten signature can be original or a copy of original. </p>
<p>1.4(d)(1) Handwritten signature. Each piece of correspondence, except as provided in paragraphs (d)(2), (d)(3), (e) and (f) of this section, filed in an application, patent file, or other proceeding in the Office which requires a person’s signature, must:<br />
(i)	Be an original, that is, have an original handwritten signature personally signed, in permanent dark ink or its equivalent, by that person; OR<br />
(ii)	Be a direct or indirect copy, such as a photocopy or facsimile transmission (§ 1.6(d)), of an original. In the event that a copy of the original is filed, the original should be retained as evidence of authenticity. If a question of authenticity arises, the Office may require submission of the original.</p>
<p>Even this says  they accept the equivalent of a handwritten signature<br />
(e) Correspondence requiring a person’s signature and relating to registration practice and disciplinary investigations, or disciplinary proceedings must be submitted with an original hand written signature personally signed in permanent dark ink or its equivalent by that person.</p>
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		<title>By: sgw</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we submit auth with copy of signiture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we submit auth with copy of signiture?</p>
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